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[–]JustAvgGuy 3659 points3660 points  (419 children)

"I want the American People to know I am a crook!" - what Nixon should have said.

[–]superdagoWisconsin 1475 points1476 points  (388 children)

Even Nixon wouldn’t have dreamt of taking the “And there’s nothing you can do about it,” approach.

[–]EquationTAKEN 767 points768 points  (324 children)

Well, he got pretty close with the "if the president does it, it's legal" approach.

[–]user93849384 351 points352 points  (314 children)

He got close because he still had support from the senate. Trump is being used as a pawn and Pelosi who came out swinging at first, now seems like she wants to focus on knocking him out during the election and not through impeachment.

[–]JoshJoshson13 448 points449 points  (207 children)

I understand that tactic, but I hate it. Shes basically saying there is NOTHING trump can do that would warrant her support to remove him. Even with a majority of dem support in the house she doesn't even entertain impeachment in press conferences. Why do we have to wait for trump to be voted out in order to stop him from blatantly breaking the law?

[–]giliana52 331 points332 points  (161 children)

Because of Moscow Mitch

[–]mcwarmaker 349 points350 points  (147 children)

I say push the issue. Hold impeachment hearings. Let the country see how fucked the Senate is, how fucked the entire Republican party is. Let them see the Senate vote not to impeach Trump after overwhelming evidence is brought that he should not be President and never should have been in the first place.

Might be a good way to get people to vote in some new Senators.

[–]flyingalbatross1 222 points223 points  (43 children)

The problem is that when impeachment inevitably fails due to Moscow Mitch and the Senate, it won't be reported as 'crazy corrupt senate refuses to impeach',

No, it'll be reported as 'total exoneration for Trumpo from Dem impeachment witchhunt' which could cause a rally of support for Trump.

It's dangerous because the GOP side is SO corrupt their corruption is protecting them.

[–]reddog323 66 points67 points  (24 children)

Time to investigate and vote those bastards out next fall. Moscow Mitch is already at risk. We need to knock down a few others and make them pay for the corruption.

[–]sirixamo 18 points19 points  (19 children)

Yes I agree - the key is winning elections next fall, that is all that matters at this point.

[–]Funnel_Hacker 169 points170 points  (11 children)

I agree. But Dems are doing what they do best: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[–]trittydi 61 points62 points  (21 children)

But Trump is easily 10 times worse than Nixon

[–]SaddestClownTexas 47 points48 points  (9 children)

I honestly believe Nixon loved America. It was a weird version of America that he wanted to exist but he loved this country. Trump, on the other hand, loves America because it has weird loopholes that let people like him keep failing but remain at the level to keep trying.

[–]vxicepickxv 47 points48 points  (15 children)

He tried and failed.

[–]AssGagger 67 points68 points  (13 children)

he didn't have Fox news

[–]Felrick 32 points33 points  (7 children)

That’s exactly why a member of Nixon’s administration went on to create Fox News.

[–]tron_funkin_blow 105 points106 points  (9 children)

Nixon only gave up because he lost party support in the senate. If that wasn’t the case, he would have lied and cheated to the bitter end.

[–]OTL_OTL_OTL 97 points98 points  (11 children)

Exactly. Trump is indirectly admitting he has committed tax evasion.

[–]dokapon111 55 points56 points  (10 children)

The Panama papers prove that means nothing, to anybody.

[–]Dr_smell 185 points186 points  (7 children)

Someone should ask him if he's a crook. A clip of him saying "I am not a crook" would be a great echo of Nixon and the GOPs constant illegal activity.

[–]Hipppydude 54 points55 points  (0 children)

I loved back when he actually compared himself to Nixon

[–]Cyril_Clunge 10 points11 points  (1 child)

He would answer something like "I am the biggest not crook. Believe me folks, people are saying I'm the best not crook ever."

[–]lucidguppy 1881 points1882 points  (83 children)

How would any judge agree with him?


If charges can be brought - investigation must occur before that - so investigation must be permitted. Right?


This story occurred before he was president... so he should be under investigation. Right?

[–]ghostwhat 1057 points1058 points  (46 children)

You are assuming logic is still valid in this timeline.

[–]drtoblerone 346 points347 points  (14 children)

More than logic, this is legal precedent. The rulings of these cases can be applied to cases in progress as proof of violation of law

(Not a lawyer, this is my loose understanding)

[–]Ph0X 333 points334 points  (9 children)

Why do you think the Republicans spent the past 2 years appointing as many judges as they can and overtaking the judicial branch? It's all in preparation.


[–]canttaketheshyfrommeOhio 140 points141 points  (1 child)

Try two decades.

[–]unknownintime 104 points105 points  (0 children)

Try four.

There's a reason Roger Stone, famous Nixon Tramp-stamp lover, was neck deep in the middle of this bullshit.

[–]Jo-Sef 76 points77 points  (1 child)

You're confusing legal precedent with legal President. Very legal, very cool.

[–]cheeseisdreamy 71 points72 points  (21 children)

Idiocracy is now a documentary.

[–]fraggleberg 69 points70 points  (5 children)

Unfortunately their depiction of health care is a bit more optimistic than real life

[–]JoshJoshson13 30 points31 points  (1 child)

And their president actually wanted to help the people

[–]___XANDER___ 58 points59 points 2 (2 children)

Because we have now reached a level of partisanship that means all things are now up for debate. There is no middle ground we can agree, thus all things are now a matter of politics.

It's not that previously the GOP actually cared about the rule of law, it's just that operating under a stringent set of rules benefited them when all they had to do was eviscerate Obama on a weekly basis over something entirely trivial.

Now it's their turn in the lime light and the current President is nothing more than the walking embodiment of prejudice, superficiality and resentment we see that now there are no rules, because now a no rule situation benefits the GOP more.

This is a specifically right wing phenomena, it certainly occurs on the left, but it's really an issue that surfaced with the western democratic turn towards national populist movements. Amazingly if your entire platform is based not on a value system, but instead on voter aggregation, you might find yourself in a sticky situation where you continually appear hypocritical, amoral and directionless.

Allow this to be said in no uncertain terms, the life long members of the GOP despise Trump, everyone knows he's just a big fucking asshole, but a big asshole who just so happens to resonate with the politically illiterate voter base in the correct swing states. No one actually involved in politics thinks he's smart, no one believes he's kind, no one thinks he has a fucking clue what he is doing apart from the voters who don't know left from right when it comes to policy. Trump is a campaigning super star, he is a marketing genius and a spin doctor extraordinaire. I hate Trump, but for someone with absolutely no redeemable traits he has managed to stay relevant for decades.

The GOP are using Trump as a vehicle to acquire the executive branch, now in place they have surrounded him with a legion of GOP loyalists who will push Trump into supporting whatever corporate or ideological agenda they want. Trump follows blindly because he literally has no agency of his own, his entire personality is a combination of things said to him positively in the last week.

The national populist movement is the result of declining western superiority by comparison to the rest of the developing world, causing a deep seated resentment to form in the minds of people suffering financially in what should be the richest counties on earth. This resentment has now grown so sizeable that it's possible to create a working majority for a government, a discovery that the right wing parties of the west are enjoying leveraging.

Trump is literally a puppet for the GOP

[–]SelfReconstruct 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It's easy, he picks the judges.

[–][deleted] 2629 points2630 points  (101 children)

this is a tacit admission of guilt.

[–]BrownSugarBare 1048 points1049 points  (59 children)

He's about a fried chicken leg away from saying he's going to cancel the elections and declare himself king.

[–]minddropstudios 337 points338 points  (25 children)

Whats the exchange rate from fried chicken legs to hamberders?

[–]hollimerFlorida 227 points228 points  (19 children)

3:2, or we’d also accept 1 covfefe

[–]Grognard68Oregon 35 points36 points  (0 children)

What scares me is that most of his MAGA cult followers would enthousistaclly support a King Donald I..

[–]MishterJ 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I loved this quote:

“I think it’s clear that the president is engaged in an effort to conceal and delay,” he said. “It’s hard to say whether that’s because there’s something bad there, or because his entire life indicates a general instinct to conceal and delay.”

By Paul Rosenzweig

[–]HoMasterAmerican Expat 93 points94 points  (18 children)

And he’s de facto right because nothing has been done or will be done about it, or any of the hundreds of other criminal acts he’s committed.

[–]modest_radioAmerica 475 points476 points  (75 children)

Lawyers for President Trump argue that the president is immune from all criminal investigations in a new federal lawsuit seeking to block New York prosecutors from obtaining his tax returns.

Trump sued his longtime accounting firm Mazars USA and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance on Thursday, after Vance's office subpoenaed the firm to demand eight years of the president’s personal and corporate tax returns.

Department of Justice guidelines say a president cannot be prosecuted while in office, as former special counsel Robert Mueller made clear. But Trump’s personal attorneys are now going well beyond that by arguing that he also cannot be “investigated … or otherwise subjected to the criminal process.”

The suit also quoted a decision by then-appeals court Judge Brett Kavanaugh, who wrote in 2009 that investigations are “distracting” to the president, even though Kavanaugh himself was part of a years-long criminal investigation of former President Bill Clinton.

Constitutional law scholars told The New York Times that Trump’s lawyers’ position, if accepted by the judge, would “set a sweeping new precedent” but added that the attorneys’ theory was “not based on established case law.” Of course, the Constitution does not actually say that a president cannot be indicted. When Mueller earlier this year said that his office was prohibited from bringing charges against the president, he cited only a memo from the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel as the reason a president could not be indicted. Mueller also said in May that the DOJ “explicitly permits” the investigation of a sitting president.

[–]superdagoWisconsin 270 points271 points  (16 children)

The prosecutors in this case should also move for sanctions against trumps attorneys. Making bad faith arguments with no legal basis is actually a pretty big no-no. Everyone who does trumps bidding to protect him from the consequences of his lawlessness needs to be held accountable, and that includes the attorneys who go to bat for him in court. Zealous representation has its limits and one of those limits is lying to the court, which his attorneys have consistently done.

[–]modest_radioAmerica 72 points73 points  (4 children)

It almost seems like that he would run out of lawyers to pick from in DC and New York..

Knowing that his lawyers all have lawyers and their lawyers have lawyers now, you can't exactly just keep picking from lawyer pools that aren't in some sort of conflict of interest.

If you were a law firm coming on his case at this point: you either have to really believe in him, think that you have some amazing argument / counter argument or that you're going to have a job in his administration by doing so.

[–]throwingtheshades 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hey, Cooley alumni need work too!

[–]vxicepickxv 33 points34 points  (7 children)

Isn't this type of action something that can get people disbarred?

[–]atreyukunAlabama 287 points288 points  (41 children)

We need someone brave enough to say, "fuck it" and just throw those tax returns into a public Dropbox link.

[–]VusterJones 96 points97 points  (28 children)

It needs to come out from Trump and his lawyers losing all their legal challenges to block access to it.

[–]ihateaquafina 34 points35 points  (0 children)

fucking the country over because of a god damn memo.

give me a god damn break

[–]asafum 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Wow this is really interesting information!

No. Wait. Terrifying, that's the word I was looking for. Terrifying. :(

[–]Pomp_N_CircumstanceAmerican Expat[S] 5292 points5293 points  (736 children)

Are we at full on dictator yet?

[–]Truthisnotallowed 4201 points4202 points  (548 children)

Yeah - pretty much.

He is not only claiming he can not even be investigated, he is also claiming his businesses can not be investigated, and the people he does business with can not be investigated.

Nothing he is involved in can be investigated in any way - if that is not full dictator, it is certainly a reasonable facsimile thereof.

[–]NameUnbroken 1501 points1502 points  (464 children)

This is something we should all really be worried about. He's making himself a man that cannot be investigated or indicted for crimes. This would put him as unstoppable to do whatever he wants, including becoming President for life. Based on his admitted respect for dictators, it's easy to imagine him going down this road. We need to pressure our officials to do whatever necessary to investigate him, impeach him, have him removed from office before it's too late.

[–]fyhr100Wisconsin 929 points930 points  (208 children)

"No. Hahaha take that Libs" - William Barr and Moscow Mitch

[–]TheMemeMachine3000 544 points545 points  (99 children)

Shitting on the constitiution to own the libs

[–]Pizza_antifa 435 points436 points  (45 children)

Electing to president a failed businessman turned reality tv character to own the libs

Oops, I misspelled criminal who used mob connections to open a casino.

[–]tommys_mommy 244 points245 points  (17 children)

I like "criminally insane gameshow host" myself.

Edit: credit goes to the guys at the podcast Opening Arguments patreon.com/law

[–]Nolsoth 17 points18 points  (10 children)

This is why we don't like clowns.

[–]WilTravis 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Trump wears the makeup on the inside.

[–]Nakamura2828Pennsylvania 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Is spray-tan make-up?

[–]frost_knight 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'd take the Joker over Trump any day. At least he's an American criminial lunatic.

[–]gabeshotz 97 points98 points  (17 children)

you forgot the rapey part.

[–]Hipppydude 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Also the pedo part

Tiffany was 1 when he had already taken an interest in her and was very proud of it and hopeful that she got the tits he wanted.

In the 1994 broadcast of Leach’s syndicated show “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous,” Trump responded to a question about what attributes his 1-year-old daughter Tiffany had inherited from himself and her mother, then-wife Marla Maples, by talking about the infant’s legs and breasts.

“Well, I think she’s got a lot of Marla, she’s a really beautiful baby,” said Trump, who was sat next to Maples. “She’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether or not she’s got this part yet, but time will tell,” Trump added, while cupping his hands to his chest to indicate breasts


[–]kvossera 191 points192 points  (41 children)

While fear mongering that the Democrats will destroy the constitution.

Gawddamn. Any time a Republican is squawking about something you can guarantee that they or someone they know is guilty of doing that thing.

[–]B_E_H_E_M_O_T_H 103 points104 points  (33 children)

Which really makes my wonder about all the "Democrat Satanic pedophile sex cults in pizza parlor basements" conspiracy theories the right seems to generate.

[–]hitthehead 65 points66 points  (0 children)

I assumed that was Epstein.

[–]TalVerd 38 points39 points  (15 children)

Well Epstein had a lot of contact with Republicans so that covers that part.

And if you read the Bible and look at how evangelicals act, they are going against what the Bible says which means they are 'Satanic'

One could also describe most religions, including Evangelical Christians as a cult.

Not sure where the pizza parlor bit fits in yet, but I'm sure it'll crop up eventually

[–]LatyonTexas 42 points43 points  (4 children)

It's never too far from the truth

They said a place called Comet Ping Pong Pizza was hosting satanic child sex trafficking run by Democrats

So we should be looking into places called like, I dunno, Asteroid Tennis Pizza run by a Republican (probably Papa John)

[–]Thethirdtoken 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Dictators have always done it, just replace Lib with their group cause of choice.

[–]man_b0jangl3ss 117 points118 points  (91 children)

When he declares himself president for a third term, I'm curious how many Trump supporters will say "how could we have known he would do that? No one could have known!"

[–]-Codiak-Ohio 109 points110 points  (39 children)

They will praise it....they will cheer America becoming North Korea.

[–]Saxopwned 83 points84 points  (20 children)

So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause.

[–]ministryoftimetravel 26 points27 points  (8 children)

You know the longer I live, the more relevant Revenge of the Sith becomes and I don’t like it

[–]KesInTheCity 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I mean, we had a good run. Think the Queen will take us back?

[–]-This-Whomps- 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Hey, at least his opponents have the high ground.

[–]JCC0 69 points70 points  (2 children)

Very few. The ones he has left on his side are for the most part full on mass psychosis worshippers. They’re in it to the bitter end.

[–]TheDuck00 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Nah, they'll just counter it with something along the lines of "Hillary/Obama would've done it!"

[–]Findilis 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Well they still think voodoo economics is a viable global model so......

[–]usingastupidiphone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t think they’d care

[–]Shadow_Log 26 points27 points  (1 child)

You assume that by then
a) we'd still be around
b) they'd need to find any excuses for whatever he does

[–]AcademicF 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Republicans are crowning this pig as a King.

[–]cara27hhh 108 points109 points  (31 children)

nobody is going to do a damn thing until it's too late

[–]BrahjonRondbroUtah 161 points162 points  (30 children)

It might already be too late. The main opposition party says the only way to stop him is through the election, but he’s rigging it.

[–]Babymicrowavable 72 points73 points  (1 child)

The majority of Republican party members in power are complicit in rigging it

[–]canttaketheshyfrommeOhio 37 points38 points  (0 children)

*actively participating

[–]CallTheOptimist 47 points48 points  (16 children)

I genuinely don't think the government will recognize a legitimate election next time. The senate and white house are controlled by the GOP, and now SCOTUS has a majority thanks to their outright cheating. If they don't like the election results they'll just declare the election fraudulent and the current government will continue as a temporary stopgap in the interest of national security. The next 20 months are going to be very critical for our democracy.

[–]Notmydogsowner 35 points36 points  (12 children)

I agree, even if the democrats win by a huge margin, there won't be a peacefull transfer of power this time. I think we are truly fucked. if the courts and the DOJ, and the GOP all refuse to give up power, who is going to stop them? I am genuinely scared.

[–]Square_Saltine 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Ya, but he can’t be investigated or prosecuted for it so it’s not illegal

[–]DawnOfTheTruth 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Honestly depending on the results of our next election will determine whether or not words of the people fall on deaf ears and alternative measures will be forced into play.

[–]RafIk1 34 points35 points  (9 children)

He's already spoken of a 3rd term,several times.

[–]fraggleberg 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Damn libs stole his golf time. Why be president if you can't golf 5 days a week?

[–]synyaks 69 points70 points  (92 children)

He wont be president for life. We will make sure that doesnt happen, in whatever way possible.

[–]Moderndayhippy1 89 points90 points  (34 children)

I'm not so sure, there is one surefire way he could be President for life and that is if he dies in the next 16 months. Since he is old, fat and unhealthy there is a nonzero chance a heart attack or something gets him before we can remove him.

[–]codeslave 33 points34 points  (5 children)

How he's not on his fifth heart attack is beyond me.

[–]CobraCommandingDistrict Of Columbia 33 points34 points  (2 children)

I’ve never rooted so hard for a clogged artery to sep up and do its job

[–]wjean 17 points18 points  (3 children)

And then they will trot out Pence as the good guy to 'that evil bastard that had the office before'

[–]kleptophobiac 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Oh, believe that. And then every Republican will claim that they A) had a duty to serve their constituents first and B) tried to lessen the damage that Trump was doing, from within.

[–]rrandomhero 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Man I miss the days when I absolutely would believe that statement.

In 2019, with everything we know and almost nothing being done in comparison to the enormous laundry list of very illegal shit he has gotten away with, that literally nobody else would be allowed to get away with, and the entire Republican party has gone all-in on this crazy bastard?

I'm not 100% sure that dictator trump isn't a very real possibility, at least in practice, if not by name. With Trump actively seeking more election tampering by foreign states, they can either rig it so that they 'win' key areas, or they could conveniently bring up the evidence of tampering as an argument to nullify an election.

[–]G-III 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The problem is if 90% of peoples lives don’t change, they don’t care enough to do anything. Because in this country it’s every man for themself. If the wheel is still turning most people can’t just drop what they’re doing even if they should. It’s fucked.

[–]GluvertyCanada 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Will you? They are getting away with everything else. Your comfort level and job won’t change. Disney will keep making movies and McDonald’s will keep honing their craft. Some individuals, like the few who frequent this sub might organize a march or a strike for a day or something but most will be critical and some even outraged when chatting about it with co workers.

[–]G-III 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That’s just it. Unless the status quo changes, how can you get the masses to care?

[–]YaNortABoy 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I like how you lightly skirted around the idea that McDonalds doesn't actually make food. Subtle. I like it.

[–]CobraCommandingDistrict Of Columbia 10 points11 points  (2 children)

But Hillary’s emails though

[–]Rumetheus 87 points88 points  (2 children)

By that logic, no one in the US can be investigated because he’s technically involved with all us since he claimed he’ll run the country like a business.

Just to point out the ludicrousness of his argument.

[–]cyrusm 159 points160 points  (13 children)

The worst part, I think, is that he's saying all of this, and all of the other branches of government keep saying

"Darn. I wish we could do something about this, but the President says we can't!"

That last bit, where nobody is really doing shit about this situation aside from taking advantage of it, is what concerns me the most personally.

[–]Sacramentostarlover 79 points80 points  (11 children)

If only the founders of this country would have thought to have a built in some sort of 'checks and balance' system for exactly this scenario so no one branch of Gov't gets too powerful.

Oh well, guess were fucked.

[–]BrFrancis 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Trump said he'd run the country like a business. Checks and balances mean different things for a business than they do for a government

[–]kvossera 49 points50 points  (3 children)

People that have been fired or quit or will be soon are still protected by some imaginary “executive privilege” and don’t have to respect Congress, congressional subpoenas, don’t have to turn over whistleblower complaints, don’t have to turn over tax / financial records, don’t have to listen to anyone but trump.

It’s a dictatorship.

Edit: the imaginary “executive privilege” also extends to those who didn’t work in the White House, just on the campaign such as Lewandowski.

I realize that I wasn’t entirely clear with what I said, and that’s my mistake. When I said “People” I meant anyone and everyone (except the illegal immigrants he employed) who has worked for trump either on the campaign or as a part of his administration. So far this imaginary “executive privilege” seems to only extend to campaign and administration staff both current and past, not to staff at trump’s private businesses.

[–]derekakesslerOhio 19 points20 points  (1 child)

They claimed executive privilege with Lewandowski and he never ever worked in the government, just the campaign.

[–]JstABit5150California 14 points15 points  (0 children)

and the constitution does not apply to him, since He. Is. The. Sitting. President. Of. The. United. States. Of Amurica. Don't ya know. s/

[–]periplanar 34 points35 points  (7 children)

Next steps: change the constitution to remain for more than 2 terms and generally for life, like Xi Jinping

[–]codeslave 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Soon after that, turning the presidency into a hereditary position.

[–]grrrrreat 350 points351 points  (12 children)

Lemme get the quote:



[–]FBC 171 points172 points  (5 children)

And then they whine about “fake news”. If you don’t want the press reporting misinformation, maybe stop lying to them?

[–]Coyote65 104 points105 points  (1 child)

I think their big issue is the press not reporting and supporting the GOP version of the news.

Good morning, and welcome to 1984, I guess.

[–]grrrrreat 37 points38 points  (0 children)

what's fascinating is when you parse that sentence, you can an imagine a person who feels that way only does so because they need a pretext, and those who just accept the "media lies" angle will absolutely see it different. it's like a complete propaganda technique. it's dangerous.

[–]krozarEQTexas 46 points47 points  (0 children)

We would be if he wasn't such a transparent lying sack of turds. Without Moscow Mitch he'd be nowhere. Trump has provided himself as a useful distraction for the GOP.

First rule of being a criminal mastermind: carry out with what you say; reputations matter.

[–]BaronVonStevieLouisiana 44 points45 points  (10 children)

Literally the next step is to game elections enough to give him 4 more years.

[–]codeslave 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Forget gaming, he'll just openly cheat. Something like saying that votes from California don't count because they have sanctuary cities. McConnell will chuckle, Pelosi will write another sternly worded letter, and the Supreme Court will rule that it's an inherent power of the unitary executive.

[–]elliotronPennsylvania 99 points100 points  (12 children)

If nothing else we're at full on "Consul-for-life-because-I-need-to-be-keep-my-consular-immunity."

[–]Tom_Brokaw_is_a_Punk 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Actually, Caeser was proclaimed dictator for life.

But we're splitting hairs.

[–]Arcosim 53 points54 points  (7 children)

At least Caesar was a prolific writer, an inspirational leader, a man of the people and a genius strategist. Trump is a fucking idiot.

[–]NyetTrump 108 points109 points  (3 children)

This Mussolini quote makes more and more sense -

Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power

[–]IrisMoroc 43 points44 points  (4 children)

This loophole has always existed. The Constitution seems to be written with the assumption that any obviously criminal President would be impeached. That assumption has been turned out to be wrong.

[–]e22ddie46 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Going forward, all the unwritten rules of our government need to be written in fucking blood and iron

[–]viva_la_vinyl 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Every time a reporter gets to ask the President, his administration or elected members of Congress/ Senate a question, the very first question should be “ Is the President of the United States above the law?”

[–]sotonohitoTexas 41 points42 points  (16 children)

Not quite.

He's not yet to the point where he's claiming he can issue executive orders on absolutely anything with no restraints. He's still flirting around the edges of that and pushing stupid and fake legal arguments that his various overreaching XO's are legal because [reasons].

Likewise he has yet to ignore elections or decree that they're illegitimate.

But yeah, we're getting terrifyingly close and closer by the day. It's quite clear that Trump wants to be a dictator, and the rest of the Republican Party seems to be psyching themselves up to go full on dictator along with him.

I'm hopeful that I'm just overreacting here and that there really is a line the Republicans won't support him in crossing. But we haven't hit that line yet, which says a lot.

[–]_pragmatic_ 883 points884 points  (34 children)

The whole basis that investigations are "too distracting" is such a sham. Surely, the proper path would be to find that the President (and all people) are subject to the law.

And if legal process is too overwhelming for any President there's always a VP who can act in their place if they are unable to fulfill the duties of office (as is the case if the President is otherwise unable to act).

[–]RocknrollskAmerica 252 points253 points  (8 children)

Yeah, but worrying about investigations can really hurt your short game.

[–]_pragmatic_ 92 points93 points  (6 children)

Ha but exactly! And sure, we don't want a distressed President making bad decisions due to stress. And if a President was so stressed that they were making bad decisions Cabinet should make them step aside!

Existing processes are enough to handle a President being too stressed out by not being above the law. There's no need for this legal fiction of temporary immunity.

[–]Totally_a_Banana 61 points62 points  (4 children)

Exactly! Legal fiction indeed - what president has ever been immune to investigation and impeachment??

How was Nixon investigated and impeached? How was Bill Clinton investigated and impeached??

These were all fairly recent too, relative to our history...

Everyone needs to stop buying in to trump and the GOP's bullshit arguments and blatant lies.

Lock them the fuck up already!!!

[–]DrBJonesOhio 94 points95 points  (1 child)

Again, the projection was there all along. Remember “you can’t elect Hillary because she’ll be under investigation all the time!”

[–]codeslave 26 points27 points  (0 children)

"Day 413 of our gavel-to-gavel coverage of the Benghazi Hearings..."

[–]FetcherLeVacheCanada 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Twitter seems to be way, way more distracting than pretty much anything.

[–]Willzohh 730 points731 points  (45 children)

So far he is correct. So far Trump has gotten away with his crimes.

He is a criminal who is also the president. When is the last time a president went to jail?

How often are super rich men held accountable for their crimes?

[–]codeslave 279 points280 points  (13 children)

How often are super rich men held accountable for their crimes?

Only when they rob the super rich themselves, like Bernie Madoff.

[–]pizza_for_nunchucks 33 points34 points  (2 children)

And Martin Skrelli

[–]AnonymousUser5040 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Martin Shkreli’s crime wasn’t even jacking up medication prices, it was investment fraud. He only went to jail because he messed with rich people’s money.

[–]lgbt_safety_monitor 67 points68 points  (4 children)

Is anyone going to prove him wrong? Nope. So he may as well be right.

[–]frostfall010 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Thank you. Republicans are letting him do whatever he wants. There is no accountability from the party of "law and order" because it's their guy in the White House. They are laughable hypocrites.

[–]010is2 26 points27 points  (3 children)

He’s not super rich though. He’s been propped up to make everyone believe that.

[–]Saucepass87 291 points292 points  (24 children)

When are we gonna start reigning in the power of the executive branch? The president should have so little power that it doesn't matter who it is.

[–]ZRX1200R 309 points310 points  (12 children)

You can guarantee that the Republicans will push for limited power when the next Democrat is in office.

[–]AaronfromKY 114 points115 points  (4 children)

They tried in Wisconsin. So this sounds accurate.

[–]vxicepickxv 25 points26 points  (0 children)

You mean like when they cried about debt in 2010. It's not like these bad faith actors aren't predictable.

[–]Aldermere 17 points18 points  (6 children)

That's part of the purpose of the Congress, which is supposed to represent the will of the common people. They aren't.

[–]HarkHanson 74 points75 points  (9 children)

It's funny how he said that Hillary should be investigated even if she loses. I think that is what we should do if he wins or loses. With everything he has done to disrespect this country, we need to show that nobody can get away with this kind of shit. Especially not a rich dictator that hijacked our White House.

[–]HayabusaJackColorado 184 points185 points  (18 children)

Well shoot then, give up your tax returns. If you're immune, it shouldn't make any difference.

[–]codeslave 127 points128 points  (17 children)

There's stuff in those returns worse than any crime: proof that he's poor

[–]Zingeronix 41 points42 points  (2 children)

I'm very confident that's what we'll find. He probably spent all his money on that golden toilet he shits in while the republican voters shout that he's fighting for the "common man."

[–]Ocdexpress6 87 points88 points  (5 children)

Trumps brain is immune to reality

[–]foxwize 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I'm afraid one election won't cure what we've got. The disease is systemic at this point.

[–]TonesBalones 85 points86 points  (10 children)

Obama: Investigated of legality of birth certificate.

Bush: Investigated over the war in Iraq.

Clinton: investigated for sex scandal with Monica Lewinsky.

Bush Sr.: investigated over Iran-Contra affair with Reagan.

Reagan: see above

Carter: investigated for pardoning Nixon

Nixon: investigated over Watergate

LBJ: investigated over involvement in Vietnam


Trump: A sitting president cannot be investigated.

[–]Shrek_Layers 40 points41 points  (3 children)

The point of our democracy is that we are equal under the law. But this mofo sincerely believes he is above the law and not accountable to the law AND no debate, He Is Not.

[–]Latvia 73 points74 points  (0 children)

So he’s just admitting being a criminal basically. Neat.

[–]Morihando 175 points176 points  (19 children)

Vote out the Orange Nazi in 2020!

[–]s_matthew 58 points59 points  (4 children)

He’s like that dipshit we’ve all met who thinks cops have to tell you they’re a cop if you ask, or that some hidden law states that paying taxes is optional. He heard an answer he liked from one person, and it makes it truthful to him. And he’s in charge of running the fucking country.

[–]nobsusa 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Hey Republicans if this was Clinton or Obama

Please tell us how you would feel?

Take that and times it by 1000 that's how Trump is making people feel when acting like the Dictator of the United States

[–]McNuttyNutz 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Roflmao if it was Obama or a Clinton it be done and they would be impeached and tossed in a hole

[–]Butins_pitch 108 points109 points  (10 children)

We want a king!

  • GOP

[–]WestsideBuppieAmerica 17 points18 points  (7 children)

We need no King but Caesar

[–]Khanaset 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Trump is more an Augustus Gloop than Augustus Caesar, but you go with what you have I guess.

[–]whyohwhyohio 8 points9 points  (1 child)

No they want a puppet, and they got one

[–]SolaxQFS 43 points44 points  (10 children)

God, USA nowadays is a joke of a country... can‘t even throw a fucking facist out of the office... And you guys don’t like totalitarian regimes or communism? The founding fathers would puke just from a 1/10 of this shitstorm...

[–]RedditTrollin 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I don't even care about the symptoms any more, I'm just hoping the disease gets cured in this upcoming election.

[–]Nyaren-ChanEurope 119 points120 points  (50 children)

Is nobody gonna talk about the fact he threatened us Europeans to accept Jihadists in our countries ?

[–]EllisMatthews8 141 points142 points  (36 children)

I'm still processing the American concentration camps for children...

[–]fl0wdeep 12 points13 points  (3 children)

What kind of threat is that even?

[–]gerry_mandering_50 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Trump is the big dog, the strong man. His followers love this kind of behavior, for they feel similarly empowered when he does this.

[–]RacecarlockUtah 20 points21 points  (1 child)

He's literally arguing he's above the law. I think it's time to impeach him before he starts throwing people in jail for insulting him.

[–]stoic_minotaur 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Remember when Republicans claimed Obama was essentially a dictator since he resorted to using executive orders to bypass an obstructionist Republican controlled Congress?

Here we have a President who outright refuses to abide by any sort of congressional oversight while simultaneously claiming he and his entire organization is exempt from investigation.

Any peep from these same Rs worried about executive branch overstepping? No? Didn't think so.

[–]PrimalMusk 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Do Conservatives support this? How is this playing on Conservative subreddits?

I could never imagine a Democratic president making this argument and not facing major backlash from members of his/her party and Democratic voters throughout the country.

[–]vxicepickxv 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Cult of personality. They're cheering themselves getting fucked because they're too myopic to see this as anything more than "owning the libs".

[–]Ubarlight 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Does he honestly think he's some sort of emperor god where whatever he says manifests as reality?

[–]totalmisinterpreter 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately the GOP ensures that actually does happen.

[–]shakrbttle 11 points12 points  (8 children)

AMERICANS: get out there and protest like Hong Kong is protesting their government. Force your representatives to take action and finally impeach this dictator before you lose even more of your country. Sitting idle does nothing. Make. Your. Voices. Heard.

[–]Art3sian 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not only is this fuck getting away with anything he wants, he’s setting precedent for anyone after him to know they can do the same.

[–]serioush 76 points77 points  (7 children)

"Trump is evil and must be stopped at all costs!"

[–]cr0wstufAmerica 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter for Trumps book, The Art of The Deal, had this to say about Trump in his AMA the other day:

"Trump is the most purely evil human being I've ever met, and also the most insecure."

Edit: link to the AMA if anyone wants to read some interesting words from someone who knows Trump first hand: https://reddit.unblocked-proxy.xyz/r/politics/comments/d6ges4

[–]CoyotaTorolla 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Prediction: Trump will flee to Russia for protection after he loses election. We will never see his face again.

[–]ioconnor94 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Oh yes we will. He'll be on RT screeching about how he's the "president in exile" who should be restored to power by some massive military intervention.

[–]MidwestBulldog 27 points28 points  (1 child)

ADVISOR: "Mr. President, you are down a hard 13 to 18 points on favorability to Joe Biden in a horserace poll. You have to do something big."

TRUMP: "Well, that comedian in the Ukraine won't create that sham investigation on Biden we need and I'm doing my level best increasing tensions in the Middle East so Russian crude oil prices increase. What more can I do?"

If you're still "on board" with Trump, you're the problem. Treason is perfectly OK with you. Because that is what we're watching.

[–]fantasypingpong 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I can’t wait ‘till he runs for a third term so we can bring Obama back.

[–]aNewLifeForAndrew 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Ah yes, that famed 'transparency'.

My mom can be rather frustrating sometimes - she loves him, doesn't believe he lies, and refuses to look into it. I have offered documents and articles which prove he is lying, laying out numbers and facts from primary sources, but she refuses to look.

Right now I can't tell whether she knows she is wrong deep down inside and is scared of learning the truth, thus pushing anything which could take down her fragile house of cards, or whether she really believes the fearmongering surrounding the 'fake news'.

I do have good news. My dad decided to humor me, as a lifelong republican, and now we have been watching the debates and deciding which democrat to root for. Once you do sit down and take an honest look the truth is hard to deny.

[–]aagejaeger 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Look at that disgusting man. You guys let this man enter that office, and some of you even voted for him.